barack obama and michelle obama, and rachel, from what i understand, took a larger view looking at the first lady and her larger ancestry and putting together a larger story as a result. >> host: now, bob -- >> guest: now, those -- >> host: go ahead, please. >> guest: no, i was just going to say of the three, my favorite was the marines. it was exhaustive and exhausting. there's every detail, and it ends as obama is going off to harvard or just enters harvard law school. it's a coming of age biography, the early part of the president's life, and it was very well researched. the jodi book on the political marriage, i thought it was a bit forced. i feel unless you're part of a marriage, it's awful hard to understand, and, especially, when she -- cantor tried to make the case that michelle obama was far more political than she would let on and political tension, a lot of sort of counts of fighting in the obama white house, reported widely in the early days. rachel's history was valuable because we forget although the attention is on president obama being the first black president,
